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	<title>Comments on: The Golden Compass</title>
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		<title>By: strakallah</title>
		<link>http://nick.onetwenty.org/index.php/2007/12/31/the-golden-compass/#comment-31497</link>
		<dc:creator>strakallah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt this movie tried too hard to be anti establishment. It basically got in your face &quot;Hi, this movie is so totally anti establishment&quot; but didn&#039;t really back it up with anything. It&#039;s like the author thought of the idea of dust but was never really able to figure out exactly what the hell he was thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt this movie tried too hard to be anti establishment. It basically got in your face &#8220;Hi, this movie is so totally anti establishment&#8221; but didn&#8217;t really back it up with anything. It&#8217;s like the author thought of the idea of dust but was never really able to figure out exactly what the hell he was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the movie was a bit too rushed to get people from A to B to C so I didn&#039;t get much time to introspect much until after the film. The Magisterium is the symbol of dogmatic organisations (but obviously modelled after the Church) that seeks to clamp down on forbidden knowledge and compel people to think their way.

What was interesting is what Pullman is trying to say about the daemons and the Intercision process... I suspect the after-effects of the process is a parallel to what religious organisations do to young children, albeit not in such a drastic fashion.

I&#039;ll see about discussing it further later on when I&#039;m back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the movie was a bit too rushed to get people from A to B to C so I didn&#8217;t get much time to introspect much until after the film. The Magisterium is the symbol of dogmatic organisations (but obviously modelled after the Church) that seeks to clamp down on forbidden knowledge and compel people to think their way.</p>
<p>What was interesting is what Pullman is trying to say about the daemons and the Intercision process&#8230; I suspect the after-effects of the process is a parallel to what religious organisations do to young children, albeit not in such a drastic fashion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see about discussing it further later on when I&#8217;m back.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escapist? By the standards of children&#039;s fantasy? Maybe if you were comparing it to the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escapist? By the standards of children&#8217;s fantasy? Maybe if you were comparing it to the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate LoTR&#039;s significance in literary history, but yeah his style bores me. His books tend to read like encyclopaedias wrapped in history lessons with a thin overall wrapping of story.

I felt Narnia was escapist in direct response to the social political climate in which it was written. So... it represented something somewhat understandable at the time, but gratutious and out-of-date now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate LoTR&#8217;s significance in literary history, but yeah his style bores me. His books tend to read like encyclopaedias wrapped in history lessons with a thin overall wrapping of story.</p>
<p>I felt Narnia was escapist in direct response to the social political climate in which it was written. So&#8230; it represented something somewhat understandable at the time, but gratutious and out-of-date now.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t seen the the film, but the books were terrific - I just don&#039;t read children&#039;s fantasy but Alison had to for her job and she got _so_ excited about this one I had to make an exception. Also struck me at the time that if Pullman was writing with a movie translation in mind, he could scarcely have done it better.

Those other series are not about children though. They _are_ about innocents and insignificants, so fantasy symbolism gives us children or hobbits. Crude maybe, but it was early days. I don&#039;t think either of them make great reading now, but both had major significance in their own milleiu.(with Tolkein it&#039;s just that his style really bores me, I know many others don&#039;t mind it)

LotR spawned a whole literary genre - it cleft fantasy from fairy-tale by creating a fully-conceptualised &quot;parallel universe&quot; rather than finding its fantastic elements in the wardrobe or through the looking-glass. Narnia is tremendously abmbitious and (for then, maybe) very well-realised historical allegory, especially with the constraints (then?) imposed by theological subject matter.

Now maybe someone&#039;s going to tell me that there is actually some direct overarching allegorical meaning I&#039;ve missed in His Dark Materials because the plot and characterization seemed so unforced... surely not? No, that would really jar with the theme of denying/mistrusting supreme prescribed truth. It&#039;s a bottom-up book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the the film, but the books were terrific &#8211; I just don&#8217;t read children&#8217;s fantasy but Alison had to for her job and she got _so_ excited about this one I had to make an exception. Also struck me at the time that if Pullman was writing with a movie translation in mind, he could scarcely have done it better.</p>
<p>Those other series are not about children though. They _are_ about innocents and insignificants, so fantasy symbolism gives us children or hobbits. Crude maybe, but it was early days. I don&#8217;t think either of them make great reading now, but both had major significance in their own milleiu.(with Tolkein it&#8217;s just that his style really bores me, I know many others don&#8217;t mind it)</p>
<p>LotR spawned a whole literary genre &#8211; it cleft fantasy from fairy-tale by creating a fully-conceptualised &#8220;parallel universe&#8221; rather than finding its fantastic elements in the wardrobe or through the looking-glass. Narnia is tremendously abmbitious and (for then, maybe) very well-realised historical allegory, especially with the constraints (then?) imposed by theological subject matter.</p>
<p>Now maybe someone&#8217;s going to tell me that there is actually some direct overarching allegorical meaning I&#8217;ve missed in His Dark Materials because the plot and characterization seemed so unforced&#8230; surely not? No, that would really jar with the theme of denying/mistrusting supreme prescribed truth. It&#8217;s a bottom-up book.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think Star Wars sucks; so I accept that I&#039;m probably off-kilter with the general movie-goer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think Star Wars sucks; so I accept that I&#8217;m probably off-kilter with the general movie-goer.</p>
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		<title>By: tone</title>
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		<dc:creator>tone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrmm, You&#039;re the first person I&#039;ve spoken to who didn&#039;t say this movie sucked, and some of those people were the type who are big into fantasy movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrmm, You&#8217;re the first person I&#8217;ve spoken to who didn&#8217;t say this movie sucked, and some of those people were the type who are big into fantasy movies.</p>
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